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It's true, the car scene was tiny and boring in the late 90's to mid 00's. It was nowhere as big as it is now.

What do young social media influencers spend their money on? What are they always flashing on their social media for likes???

Oh that's right, CARS.
You just prove the point. You are trying to compare a time before the internet . There was no international platform for anyone to "flash" their interests on. Nowhere! Didnt exist!!!!

We didnt buy foxbodys because of their look. We bought them because they were cheap and performed well for their day . it spawned a new era of performance cars. The aftermarket exploded primarily because of the foxbody. The LS came after it.
260hp 2v and 305hp4v were not low powered for their time.... Technology has come along way.

All you learned is you can buy horsepower or Google it. We had to read,wrench,pick the brains of the old timers and were lucky enough to have guys that were really innovate . We found horsepower and we created power.

You are the stereotypical Millennial or Z. Study history and then ask yourself (not google) how did they do it?
 

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You just prove the point. You are trying to compare a time before the internet . There was no international platform for anyone to "flash" their interests on. Nowhere! Didnt exist!!!!

We didnt buy foxbodys because of their look. We bought them because they were cheap and performed well for their day . it spawned a new era of performance cars. The aftermarket exploded primarily because of the foxbody. The LS came after it.
260hp 2v and 305hp4v were not low powered for their time.... Technology has come along way.

All you learned is you can buy horsepower or Google it. We had to read,wrench,pick the brains of the old timers and were lucky enough to have guys that were really innovate . We found horsepower and we created power.

You are the stereotypical Millennial or Z. Study history and then ask yourself (not google) how did they do it?

My father owns a 1969 Mach 1, 1971 Torino Fastback, and a 1971 Mach 1. His friends and brothers were in the car scene before the Gen X Fox body craze from the mid 1960's to the present. They lived the Muscle Car era, and the down swing of the late 70's, early 80's. These older guys generally skipped the Fox generation simply because they felt those cars weren't true Mustangs on looks alone.

People weren't flashing their cars on the internet before the late 1990's. They were flashing their cars in 5.0 Mustang Magazine, and Mustang Monthly during the 90's. However, starting around 1999 Mustang internet forums like the Corral came on the scene and changed the information game.

If I was a stereotypical Millennial I would not own a Mustang with a pushrod stroker that I mostly put together myself. I've been driving Mustangs since 2005. So I'm not exactly new to it all.
 

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sn95gts331 said:
It's true, the car scene was tiny and boring in the late 90's to mid 00's. It was nowhere as big as it is now.

What do young social media influencers spend their money on? What are they always flashing on their social media for likes???

Oh that's right, CARS.
You just prove the point. You are trying to compare a time before the internet . There was no international platform for anyone to "flash" their interests on. Nowhere! Didnt exist!!!!

We didnt buy foxbodys because of their look. We bought them because they were cheap and performed well for their day . it spawned a new era of performance cars. The aftermarket exploded primarily because of the foxbody. The LS came after it.
260hp 2v and 305hp4v were not low powered for their time.... Technology has come along way.

All you learned is you can buy horsepower or Google it. We had to read,wrench,pick the brains of the old timers and were lucky enough to have guys that were really innovate . We found horsepower and we created power.

You are the stereotypical Millennial or Z. Study history and then ask yourself (not google) how did they do it?
no one knows. thats the issue with EFI, too much guessing.
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You just prove the point. You are trying to compare a time before the internet . There was no international platform for anyone to "flash" their interests on. Nowhere! Didnt exist!!!!

We didnt buy foxbodys because of their look. We bought them because they were cheap and performed well for their day . it spawned a new era of performance cars. The aftermarket exploded primarily because of the foxbody. The LS came after it.
260hp 2v and 305hp4v were not low powered for their time.... Technology has come along way.

All you learned is you can buy horsepower or Google it. We had to read,wrench,pick the brains of the old timers and were lucky enough to have guys that were really innovate . We found horsepower and we created power.

You are the stereotypical Millennial or Z. Study history and then ask yourself (not google) how did they do it?
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My father owns a 1969 Mach 1, 1971 Torino Fastback, and a 1971 Mach 1. His friends and brothers were in the car scene before the Gen X Fox body craze from the mid 1960's to the present. They lived the Muscle Car era, and the down swing of the late 70's,

People weren't flashing their cars on the internet before the late 1990's. They were flashing their cars in 5.0 Mustang Magazine, and Mustang Monthly during the 90's. However, starting around 1999 Mustang internet forums like the Corral came on the scene and changed the information game.

If you are using the calculation to determine the number of cars in magazines to the overall size of the enthusiast market? It is not a comparison. Anyone can post their car on Facebook not even .5 percent would make it into a car magazine. The aftermarket isnt dying because the lack of car enthusiasts. It is dying because newer cars are far advanced , too expensive and now more intrusive government. Older car aftermarket is dying from previous and now new bad trade policies and coming Green Legislation.
 

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Rates are gonna stay flat to negative in real terms for a decade or 2, we've chosen to take the euro/japan route.

There will be no hyperinflation... just stagflation and low growth.
Vortech can TRY to charge 8k for newer kits... won't surprise me if they're gone by 2030 too.
Rates are gonna stay flat because the Fed has boxed itself into corner....and stagflation didn't even exist until Nixon invented it. Assuming they actually stay flat.

As for predictions....they're usually wrong. Lumber, for example, is up 300% in three months. Steel, aluminum, food, virtually...yet there is no inflation....at least in the Keynesian world, I suspect most Chicago School economists see things differently. The Government, and the Fed, are far too involved in the economy for this to end well.
 

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You can get a lot of cheap parts now, that are 'pretty good'. However, it seems like with the increases in prices from raw materials, inflation, whatever, you're still spending the same amount!

Things like a Vortech supercharger kit are like $8,000 for a current model Mustang. I remember buying one 15 years ago for my 5.0 for closer to $2,000! That same kit is about $3,400 now.

Tires are priced out of this world now too.
When we started the 347 cast crank boom by modifying the 351C cranks, a kit was in the $2,300.00 range. They seem to be in the 1350.00 range now. Forged crank kits (mostly Ronnie Crawford) were a bit over 4K.

All in all, considering the devaluing of the dollar, I'd say you're pretty close. But, there was a time, from 1992 to 2008, that they were far cheaper, even including inflation.
 

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Government gives me 1400$. Taxes me 2800$ more at the end of the year. Hell of a good deal. Yeah boy. Hella a good deal!
 

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My father owns a 1969 Mach 1, 1971 Torino Fastback, and a 1971 Mach 1. His friends and brothers were in the car scene before the Gen X Fox body craze from the mid 1960's to the present. They lived the Muscle Car era, and the down swing of the late 70's, early 80's. These older guys generally skipped the Fox generation simply because they felt those cars weren't true Mustangs on looks alone.
I was the former, not the later...........
 

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It’s hard finding ANY folks that want to work these days. Damn socialism. Dinesh DSousa has a story about a cart and gradual lack of folks to pull it as they all eventually decide to get in for a free ride.... eventually the cart/economy goes no where.

Good for him that he’s retiring. I am still 10 yrs minimum from that myself.
 

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The other problem with manufacturing is the infatuation that the baby-boomers had to put their kids through college. Great, we now have a nation where the youth think communism is fantastic and we have no one that wants to learn things like machining and pattern making. Some businesses are forced to outsource because of the lack of skilled labor. Casting companies were affected the most by this, along with the inane environmental regulations that go along with it.

We're the new UK, except we dumb enough to kill our currency unlike the pound.
 

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The other problem with manufacturing is the infatuation that the baby-boomers had to put their kids through college. Great, we now have a nation where the youth think communism is fantastic and we have no one that wants to learn things like machining and pattern making. Some businesses are forced to outsource because of the lack of skilled labor. Casting companies were affected the most by this, along with the inane environmental regulations that go along with it.

We're the new UK, except we dumb enough to kill our currency unlike the pound.
Except there are tons of young people building things, creating and innovating. Outsourcing is because other countries pay their workers pennies and it's cheaper to outsource, nothing to do with lack of workforce or "the youth."
 

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It’s true though. Greedy Boomers sent most manufacturing over seas. They knowingly committed treason for a dollar. It’s not China’s fault for accepting a good deal from back stabbing American businessmen who should be in prison.
You're a funny guy. Incredibly naive, though.

If you want to pick a couple of factors, you would have to go with government regulations and unionism. And, this will hurt, businesses do not exist to provide jobs. They exist to make money,

I suggest Amazon.com: An Inquiry Into The Nature and Cause of The Wealth of Nations eBook: Adam Smith: Kindle Store

Adam Smith's "An Inquiry Into The Nature and Cause of The Wealth of Nations"
 

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You're a funny guy. Incredibly naive, though.

If you want to pick a couple of factors, you would have to go with government regulations and unionism. And, this will hurt, businesses do not exist to provide jobs. They exist to make money,

I suggest Amazon.com: An Inquiry Into The Nature and Cause of The Wealth of Nations eBook: Adam Smith: Kindle Store

Adam Smith's "An Inquiry Into The Nature and Cause of The Wealth of Nations"
I don’t adhere to any strict ideology such as free market libertarianism and the worship of the almighty dollar.

A Business exist to make money yes, but don’t think for a second that when you make decisions that are treason, that people will turn their eyes. I’m no boomer, and I actively seek to put those who commit such trash, in prison. For life if necessary. That’s treason bud.

Businesses are also a countries military back bone. The manufacturing equipment to produce machines of death that protect us that you just sent over seas to China is now theirs.

In Sun Tzu’s art of war, you just made a deadly mistake that will ultimately cost your country and its citizens their lives.

You’ve got to think beyond your own greed.
 

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And, this will hurt, businesses do not exist to provide jobs. They exist to make money,
Such a true statement. Jobs are merely a byproduct
 
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I don’t adhere to any strict ideology such as free market libertarianism and the worship of the almighty dollar.

A Business exist to make money yes, but don’t think for a second that when you make decisions that are treason, that people will turn their eyes. I’m no boomer, and I actively seek to put those who commit such trash, in prison. For life if necessary. That’s treason bud.

Businesses are also a countries military back bone. The manufacturing equipment to produce machines of death that protect us that you just sent over seas to China is now theirs.

In Sun Tzu’s art of war, you just made a deadly mistake that will ultimately cost your country and its citizens their lives.

You’ve got to think beyond your own greed.
Neither do you adhere to common sense.

Define "greed"

While you're at it, define treason.
 

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I don’t adhere to any strict ideology such as free market libertarianism and the worship of the almighty dollar.

A Business exist to make money yes, but don’t think for a second that when you make decisions that are treason, that people will turn their eyes. I’m no boomer, and I actively seek to put those who commit such trash, in prison. For life if necessary. That’s treason bud.

Businesses are also a countries military back bone. The manufacturing equipment to produce machines of death that protect us that you just sent over seas to China is now theirs.

In Sun Tzu’s art of war, you just made a deadly mistake that will ultimately cost your country and its citizens their lives.

You’ve got to think beyond your own greed.
So if I go you your house there is absolutely nothing there made in China? Just wondering because that would be treason....
 
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